This is the second part of an ongoing examination of Todd Deaver’s book, Facing Our Failure. The first installment is here.
It has been several weeks since my first installment of this continuing review of Todd Deaver’s book, Facing Our Failure. Much has transpired with my personal ministry since that time, and I apologize for the delay, but not for the good work that God is doing through the people here at the local congregation. Thanks be to God that I have been too busy locally to get back to this review!
But now that I have a moment, I wanted to drop a few more lines about this book. Granted, the thoughts given here will not be as comprehensive as I would like, but it will have to suffice for the present time.
At issue here is the topic of fellowship. To get a background on this book, please see the earlier review. Instead of turning over ground that has already been plowed, I would like to use this installment to simply put forth some basic facts about fellowship that come into play when discussing Todd’s book. In light of the scriptures, these are things we MUST admit to be true:
- God wants His people to be united. On this there can be no disagreement, since it is taught so clearly in scriptures. See John 17:20-21; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 3:1-4.
- Not every instance of sin is a reason for the breaking of fellowship. This is the only logical conclusion, in light of scriptures, and again there can be no disagreement. For instance, Paul did not write the Corinthian brethren to tell them he was breaking fellowship with them, even though they were mired in a great number of sins. Instead, he wrote to correct their errors. John also wrote that if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7-10). We will sin, John says, but if we confess it to Him and repent, we are staying in the light, and staying in fellowship with Him and one another.
- There are cases, however, where fellowship between God’s people must be severed. On this point there must also be no disagreement, since the scripture is clear that people were “disfellowshipped” at times. See the cases of Hymenaeus and Alexander (1 Tim. 1:20; 2 Tim. 2:17) for example. We may disagree on the particulars of “who” and “why,” but we cannot disagree on the fact that there are times when the Bible calls for severing of fellowship. I mentioned above that Paul wrote the Corinthians to correct their errors. But he also told them not to keep company with anyone named a brother who is “sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person” (1 Cor. 5:11). This also indicates that there are habitual, persistent sinners that the church cannot continue to fellowship.
In the future there may be other points that I will want to add to this list of things that we must agree on. But for now this must serve as a basis. God wants His people to be united, and not every sin should result in a breaking of fellowship, but there are cases where fellowship must be broken.
Now, back to Todd’s book. I suspect (and maybe he will comment and confirm or deny this) that Todd would agree with these three things. I believe these conclusions to be inescapable. Todd Deaver has promised that he will offer a proposed solution to the “fellowship problem,” and hopefully his thinking will be within these parameters.
One thing Todd wants to point out strongly is that preachers who hold contradictory positions do not always sever fellowship with one another. We must agree with this, because we have seen it happen. But does this necessarily entail that there is no correct standard? By Todd’s standard, it is not the sin that is in question, but whether we disfellowship over the sin.
Mainly I think Todd wants to apply this to instrumental music in worship, so let’s keep it there for a moment. He says in his book that the question is not whether IM is a sin or not, but whether we extend fellowship to those who practice it (p. 19). Now in my thinking, sin is the issue! But let’s think about that point for a moment. If IM is a sin, then to fellowship those who unrepentedly make a practice of using it would be wrong. I understand there are a whole host of nuanced arguments about “sinning ignorantly,” having not been taught the right way to worship, etc., but just for argument’s sake let’s stay with the thought that those using IM are aware that there is no command to do so. Would not practicing a form of worship that is unauthorized by God in effect make one an idolater? And since Paul said not to keep company with one called a brother who is an idolater, should we keep company with one who practices a false form of worship?
There will be much argumentation over whether using IM in worship is “idolatry,” but we must remember that with God, sin is the issue! I believe a case can be made that worshipping in ways that go beyond God’s commands could be considered idolatry. If something is against His will, and someone makes a practice of that thing and will not repent, should we maintain fellowship? I believe the scriptures tell us otherwise.
Bottom line for this installment: I agree with Todd that some preachers hold contradictory positions on the fellowship issue, but still fellowship one another. I admit that often those who hold contradictory positions will still fellowship one another. But the fact that we do this does not mean that a standard for fellowship does not exist, it just means we do not practice it perfectly. It would appear that we can go to scripture to find out what kind of things should cause a break in fellowship. Clearly not every intermittant sin is a cause for disfellowship, but there are obviously some persistent sins that do. We will look at that topic next time I write.
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by Alan
29 Mar 2009 at 06:30
That’s a puzzling statement. Assume for the moment that instrumental music is unauthorized, and that authorization is required for every act of worship. Even so, a person worshipping God with an instrument is still worshipping the true God and not an idol. They give praise to God who created the heavens and the earth, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God who sent his Son Jesus to die on the cross. They give praises to the only true God (although, based on the assumptions stated above, they would be praising God in an unauthorized way). How is that idolatry?
by Matt Clifton
30 Mar 2009 at 08:34
Alan,
Hi, hope you are doing well.
There are some factors to consider. The God I worship tells us in scripture what is acceptable to Him in worship. If a man worships differently from what God has revealed, it is possible that he is worshiping what he does not know. Also, Paul says in Col. 3:5 that covetousness is idolatry. D.A. Carson well says,
“The danger of greed is especially emphasized as a ‘gross sin’ for it is equated with idolatry. Such a person, instead of focusing his or her whole life on the things above, where Christ rules as King, is seeking the things below, and therefore worships and serves the creature rather than the Creator (Rom. 1:25). Paul knew the special deadliness of this sin (Rom. 7:7–8; cf. Mt. 6:24). Perhaps it is so dangerous because it may assume so many respectable forms. After all, are not those things we do not have but earnestly desire simply ‘necessities’? We deceive ourselves into making idols of our own demands.”
Carson, D. A.: New Bible Commentary : 21st Century Edition. 4th ed. Leicester, England; Downers Grove, Ill., USA : Inter-Varsity Press, 1994, S. Col 3:5
I think this concept has potential to be applied to anything we add to worship because of our own desires, and thus gets between God and us. IM could be considered idolatry when a person knows it is not commanded, but wants it anyway for selfish purposes.
More about this in a later part of the study. I am not “married” to the concept yet. My final report will be published after examining the pertinent passages. In that article I will pull together the findings of my study, discard what is incorrect or doubtful about fellowship, and stay only with what the scriptures confirm as positively commanded. Have patience with me until my “thinking out loud” is complete, please.
God bless you,
Matt
by Scott Shifferd
01 Apr 2009 at 11:57
Hey Matt,
Thank you for the review. Your point regarding musical instruments being idolatry has got me thinking. You make a good point that it is greed that covets man-made worship, and idolatry is also man-made worship. Mechanical worship is just as much an attempt for proxy worship too.
Fellowshiping with sin is certainly the issue. “And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.” By my conscience, I have to observe these words.
Grace and peace to you in our Lord.
by Matt Clifton
01 Apr 2009 at 12:23
Scott,
Thank you for reading, brother. The connection between instrumental music and possible idolatry is new to me, I had never thought of it until studying 1 Corinthians 5 a little closer. I plan to give it some more prayer, thought and study as soon as possible.
Keep in touch!
Matt